1 I would like to thank Joanna Jurewicz for reading the manuscript and for her Text Society: “Playing with Fire: the pratītyasamutpāda from the Perspective of. The arguments are based on articles by Joanna Jurewicz, which unfortunately I can’t easily access right now, such as “Playing with fire: the. Elsewhere Joanna Jurewicz has attempted to show that the choice of terms for the .. „Playing with Fire: Pratītyasamutpāda from the perspective of Vedic.

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Fire was very much part of the religious imagination of India by the time of the Buddha, and Gombrich argues that it is from this source that the Buddha draws for his fire metaphor. No registered users and 4 guests. Theravada Buddhism Web Directory. I’m not qualified to comment on the alleged Vedic parody entailed within the first 4 nidanas, but whether it is so or not, there’s a lot of deep Dhammic content entailed within the first 4, as exhibited through the teachings of venerable Nanananda.

Desire, ‘the first seed of the mind’, creates consciousness. This is a brief overview of a more technical and thorough discussion by Professor Gombrich.

Thich Nhat Hanh “The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees. The 12 links are one of those things with so many varied interpretations, the more context we have the better off we’ll be. Realising that at this point in the chain there should be a reference to the emergence of the individual person with teh five khandha, the tradition made nama-rupa equivalent to the five khandha by saying that rupa was the first khandha and nama referred to the other four.

This much is consonant with the received tradition. What the Buddha means by “everything” is the five sense faculties and the mind, the objects of our senses, and the whole psychological process of experience.


There are many other suttas with quite different formulations, which wait for serious study, for example:. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. As for the specific link formulation, – it’s just one of the way in which Buddha expressed the Conditioned Arising model. Tanha craving ; 9. Although not the standard interpretation in Buddhism, a psychological interpretation of Dependent Origination results in ignorance tainting consciousnessin the same way the Buddha described the five hindrances tainting the mind, of water tainted with dye, water blown by wind, water overgrown with weeds, water put in a dark place, etc.

Following a psychological interpretation, the primary cause of suffering is ignorance.

Dependent Origination and the Vedas – Dhamma Wheel

It emphasises that the Buddhist texts are not divine revelation, they are no infallible and we must be wary of an over literal interpretation of them. I have been re-reading the notes from those lectures and wanted to highlight lecture seven which discussed the use of fire as a metaphor by the Buddha.

Newer Post Older Post Home. However, it’s hard to do justice to it without typing out several pages of the book In the Rig Veda: There is evidence that fire worship goes back well beyond the entry of the Vedic speaking peoples into India. I’ve made several references over the last year and a half to the Numata lectures by Professor Richard Gombrich in Gombrich has investigated other aspects of this fire metaphor. No commentator is infallible, right? As Tilt says, such ideas don’t necessarily subtract, they may well enrich how one views the Dhamma.

I think it makes sense. Then, at another point, the Buddha produced a different causal chain to ironize and criticise Vedic cosmogony, and noticed that it led very nicely into the earlier chain – perhaps because it is natural for the creation of the individual to lead straight on to the six senses, and these, via ‘contact’ and ‘feeling’, to thirst.


Dhamma Wheel

First there is nothing, not even existence or non-existence. The khandas in other words are an extension of the Buddha’s use of the fire metaphor. The purpose of this post was essentially to say that whether Gombrich’s theory is true or not, we’re better off not just clipping off the first four nidanas as some kind of antiquated irrelevancy.

What Professor Gombrich has shown on more than one occasion is that the received tradition is confused on some points of doctrine or linguistics.

Dependent Origination and the Vedas Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts. Sankhara mental fabrications ; 3.

Jayarava’s Raves: Playing with Fire

The primary metaphor for consciousness in the Vedic tradition is fire, hence the Buddha framed his understanding of consciousness in similar terms. Nama is not only perception and rupa is not merely objects.

Genesis 1 The Beginning In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In particular where the Buddha used metaphors drawn from the Vedic traditions, there have often be misunderstood by later Buddhists, even in some cases before the canon was written down. The Buddha, of course, was rejecting the idea of the atman and the denial of the atman makes playig Vedic cosmogony meaningless. Salayatana six sense-media ; 6.

They are the fuel for the burning desire that prolongs our existence. Jati birth ;